No one is that powerful. Pre-Retcon is irrelevant (has been for decades) only current The Beyonder and members of his species count 1 versus 1 All try their hardest to win Round 1: Peak condition and trying hard Round 2: Augmentation (like sundipping for kryptonians) and trying hard. Beyonders killed LT and destroyed countless universes. Darwin is able to limitlessly adapt to survive certain death situations. 10 years agoTOAA, Fulcrum Scathan, Taimut post Ascension, PR Beyonder, Molecule Man, Mad Jim Jaspers, Chaos King/Choas War Hercules, OAA the Celestial if he really is more powerful than Scathan, Protege and. -5. TOAA mops the floor with these two. He is True Omnipotent inside. TOAA: Got KOed by Thanos with the Regulator, stated he wasn't omnipotent unless the multiverse had "order", smaller multiverse. Azathoth solos. For instance, when he triumphs over the combined powers of Thanos and the Silver Surfer. Beyonder was just a very much younger and less evolved TOAA, so Marvel's TOAA might have it on experience and being around more and his knowledge in himself, which is where Beyonder lacked, as he. Reviews: 0. 4. Wiki Points. Jan 1, 2019. A Golden Age Mxyzptlk is pitted against the "Secret Wars" era Beyonder. Pre-retcon Beyonder was significantly more powerful. Viners voted on it. BTW, even when Beyonder killed Death. He had to use a large portion of his power to even effect concepts and was effected by physical attacks. ago. And yeah he stomps. The Two fight in the beyond realm. if anything. Beyonder is too big for the multiverse, his very presence alters the entire multiverse a great deal, without him even knowing it - Scan 1 and Scan 2The One-Above-All was created by Mark Waid and Mike Wieringo and first appeared in Fantastic Four #511. He is the most powerful being in the Marvel Multiverse. PR Beyonder vs TOAA would be a stalemate. s. The One Above All | MCOC | TOAA VS THE BEYONDER |. [12] He is also. Pre-Retcon Beyonder, along with all other supreme deities in comics (Presence, TOAA, MoM, Thanos with HOTU, etc. Respect Sam Howell / SCP-3812 (The SCP Foundation) Scarlet King (SCP) Respect The Scarlet King (SCP Foundation) TOAA (Marvel) Respect One Above All (Marvel, 616) The Beyonder clearly held Scathan's power in deep respect. and it can be said so is spectre. Now, Beyonder doesn't work like that, and is more ore less considered TOAA level, not above, but about the closest thing you could get to TOAA without being TOAA. So, I have TOAA (plot device) above the PR Beyonder (character). The only. Thanos absorbed LT and the universe. In Marvel he is just that, Above All. KMC Forums > Comic Book Forums > Comic Book 'Versus' Forum > The LT with the backing of the TOAA vs. 5 T. beyonder vs toaa. 0. Wiki Points. 8 years ago lettsplay10Doom fucking killed them all and banned the word Beyonder from Marvel Comics and the fact that ban hasn't been kept is disappointing. Sẽ có sự nhầm lẫn, Beyonder là hiện thân của Đa vũ trụ, là tập hợp các yếu tố định luật vật lý của đa Vũ trụ lúc chưa hình thành, nghĩa là ở một đẳng cấp mà không một thực thể hay. 14 years ago. Apparently due to the latest post about Doom people are claiming some Bleach characters like Aizen can beat The God Emperor. Comics . So he could just kill them and the concepts they represent. . TOAA vs Johnny would require more context for a battle though. He was stated to be millions of times powerful than the Entire Marvel Multiverse Combined which even included The Living Tribunal and Molecule Man and We all know that Living Tribunal is almost as Powerful As Michael Demiurgos. Pre retcon beyonder was stronger than all of marvel multiverse combined with exception of TOAA. 0. Stop the omnipotent debate, the closest thing to that is Pre Retcon Beyonder in the 80s and TOAA for later eras on average. dunno where they went other than TOAA clapped his hands and they were gone. I am unsure post-retcon Beyonder would even beat that version of her, which was a far. Beyonder on the other hand, pre retcon at least, is a million times more powerful than the entire of Marvel combined. You can't be above him. Post-Retcon Molecule Man. ago. Stalemate. The point of the whole story is that Beyonder explicitly turns himself into a human flesh form that is capable of experiencing all of the joys and sorrows that come. TOAA is basically a manifestation of the writer, while featless (except for the creating everything in all infinite marvel verses thing), he is above everything in marvel (since no character can just jump out of the comic and beat him up) If we go by scans the beyonder is a million. First debuting in Marvel Super Heroes Secret Wars #1, this Beyonder gave. Beyonder Doom 14. Sppople. CC Goku is outerversal while in Uni Blue, meanwhile Pre retcon Beyonder as far as i know is high outer and has way better feats, apart from being part of a much larger cosmology. Today's TOAA was taken from the Beyonder blueprint, since TOAA is arguably and "supposedly" more powerful than the Presence before he replaced himself with Elaine Belloc, who was not. Beyonder for the curbstomp. to win. 0. Follow 16580. Beyonder's legitimately more powerful. 3. . TOAA vs Beyonder TOAA: Retcon biyotch. Molecule Man Beyonder Power 15. The Beyonder is a young member of the ancient race of multiversal engineers known as The Beyonders, and by far its most infamous and well-known one. The first 3 scans are 4th wall breaking/meta fiction for beyonder. TLT is a servant of TOAA and is below TOAA in terms of power, TLT is able to turn off the infinity gauntlet in the hands of Adam Warlock and beat people like Protoge with a little help from Scathan, judge people like Beyonder, etc and is above people like Eternity, Infinity who are above people like Galactus or Odin who are above space, time. Beyonder is beyond the universe. It is embedded. One below all vs the beyonder. Vs Battles Wiki knows should be taken with a bucketload of salt, that said. Its highly subjective since Superman is kind of featless. Featherine should be comparable to PR Beyonder or EGD, but she isn't beating TOAA. ago. What they dream up with goes. #14. Oldfather 18. Wait if Defender Beyonder is above TOAA than Marvel truly retcon TOAA from being omnipotent to megaversal or omniversal level abstract than. 9 years ago. Yes, TOAA is the only true omnipotent being in Marvel - however the WPotC is now the creator, judge, jury, executioner and destroyer of the multiverse. Pre retcon Beyonder was literally TOAA level. 0 coins. 1 Answer. Beyonder can manipulate the universe at his will, and on top of that, it is part of the reason why. Beyonder - vs - The One-Above-All # 54. Max Deen. 13 years agoEdit: Looking at the respect threads PR Beyonder actually seems a lot more impressive, and it seems my point regarding Lucifer being half the Presence was wrong. The first version of Beyonder should be able to beat anything and anyone in Marvel. I'm well aware that Beyonder is much more powerful than LT. -Beyonder/s are bloodlusted. They are so many tiers apart that it's not even worth trying to count. you are skirting the lines of the no-limits. Like thanos becoming toaa with HOTU. The One-Above-All Neither of these two is defined as "The" supreme creator of the marvel omniverse, right, but TOAA seems more similar to such a being (if he indeed represents all the writers). Red Mist vs Galactus. Astral Regulator beat TOAA because, as TOAA states in the issue, he was compromised at the time. Jayfournines. But this time we use current NON-OMNIPOTENT versions of the characters currently retconned. I dunno. Still, Pre-retcon Beyonder stomps here. 56 results. 3080. Vision House Of Ideas 11. 5 Less Powerful: Galactus Galactus is terrifying in theory alone; his desire to consume entire planets have caused devastation since the beginning of time (as he is as old as the. TOAA will absolutely win as he represent the writers/Stan Lee/Jack Kirby but its interesting to note how similar origin is Primal/Over monitor & Pre recton Beyonder is , Beyonder was million times. Basically all Dragonball characters ever created in their most powerful form fight PR BEYONDER all at the same time. Advertisement Coins. s. No they don't, Beyonder (Weather it's Pre-Retcon or Post-Retcon) stomps Anti-Spiral and the whole Gurren Lagann universe. given TOAA's omnipotence is dependent on certain factors he's not a true omnipotent and doesn't have better feats than pre recton Beyonder, so being toaa or not wouldn't matterIs the Beyonder's anti-feat considered and do we take "omnipotence" at face value? Is Above All Others considered to be the same character as The One Above All, giving this entity an anti-feat? For the most part, I'd say TOAA is even beyond The Pre-Retcon Beyonder, but I can see arguments for why this isn't the case, or arguments for them. Like this for instance in Secret Wars II beyonder was beyond the marvel multiverse, multiverse then later there was suddenly a omniverse all governed by TOAA, TOAA began with a multiverse and suddenly got a omniverse to play with, but do you see him get retcon no, but his power just grow exponentially, the same with LT in Secret Wars II he was. However, PR Beyonder is an extremely powerful reality warper and is simply way out of Dr. The Beyonder kicks both their asses though, not the current beyonder but the first one. Reply. DC team : The Darkest Knight, Perpetua and Doctor Manhattan. Toaa 2. Yes. The Beyonder in. This Beyonder had little respect for mortals and treated everything like a plaything. vs. Lord Of Shambala 5. Forum Posts. Veldavana was the creator of the Tensei Slime Multiverse which consisted of all Concepts and infinite Planes of Dimentions. He’s supposed to be the number 2 behind. He definitely isn't TOAA level outside maybe his own reality. 2. 3812 transcends them TOAA and The Presence unless you go by ThEy aRe OmNiPoTeNt, Omnipotence and. Heck, even the ones who created said multiverse and pretty casually at that are massively inferior to him. Wiki Points. Beyonder came into the story as a result from one of Molecule Man's experiments gone wrong, right, he did not exist before that and his appearence was the. He like The Presence is far above the officially strongest without being the supreme. #9 Edited By AtPhantom. Pre Beyonder Had the power of the authors and could do literally anything he wanted. He is True Omnipotent, he was TOAA before TOAA was introduuced. Veldavana also existed in a plane void outside Everythingness and. Or actually had the power of God or the Source in DC. 567. But no matter, marvel characters have existed long enough to flick them. There is a reason for his name "the one above all". Beyonder came into the story as a result from one of Molecule Man's experiments gone wrong, right, he did not exist before that and his appearence was. That’s the pain of reality-warping fights. Gan & The Crimson King are good & evil sides of capital "G" God. As you stated King, there's really nothing we know of the Primal Monitor, so Beyonder wins by feats alone. . Normal beyonder loses terribly 13 years ago. Untill than this is a stomp and should be closed due to their current levels on the wiki. This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. ". TOAA definitely has better feats (his avatar destroyed countless universes) so he should take this. " Current beyonder wins, But lets get this straight: This Kami dude, he is not equivelent to TOAA. fangirl101. The thing is though, "Pre-Retcon Beyonder" is the Beyonder circa Secret Wars II, 1985. Beyonder won't evenn make any difference more than the ant. Also, Spectre is supposed to be the avatar of the Presence an gets owned often. ". That authority to lt was given by toaa while beyonder didn't get that authority from toaa. Vs Battles Wiki knows should be taken with a bucketload of salt, that said. And Pre-Retcon Beyonder wasn't "TOAA" before TOAA. Isnt TOBA far weaker and limited than TOAABeyonder was basically God of his own universe (he was his own universe, so basically, he was a young/fresh TOAA comming into being! So he was to his universe/himself what TOAA is to the LT/Marvel U!The Beyonders and TOAA didnt really exist during Pre Retcon time from what i remember but i may of missed them, PRB was basically what the TOAA of the time. They can literally do whatever they want. Loki God Of Stories 17. TOAA (Shooter/Milgrom) in 85' created Beyonder to be the most powerful force in all Marvel. DC hasn't even created beings on his level, because they realize that something that powerful. The comics have so many meta layers, and TOAA is at the top, so he should scale above Buddha Wukong. The Beyonder is far, far beyond a Multiversal. He was initially depicted. Nope that’s pre-retcon not post retcon. And although they themselves are Drawings to us (God appeared on panel in FF#511) EVERYTHING else in Marvel is Drawings to them, from Thanos/THOTI to Aunt May. We help you decide what wheel is right you. MOM hasn't shown any feats to suggest that he is on the same exact level as TOAA, let alone Pre-Recton Beyonder. 93. Molceule Man is powerful, and I believe he once contained a multiverse in a box, but there is no chance he can beat. Oldfather 18. I'm well aware that Beyonder is much more powerful than LT. So basically Superman is getting rolled over. #1 Nicholas_Jones. Beyonder being > Oblivion aint change the fact that Beatrice steamrolles Marvel sans TOAA . Beyonder was the sum power of a multiverse, which still resides within a greater omniverse that Wanda's spell began to collapse. matchups like these are. @Pr_Beyonder said: " @King Saturn: Chuck worships GOAG not TOAA All thought he maybe reffered to as TOAA and is the true OAA " TOAA can be referred to as the GOAG though. And that excuse about "They would be powerless in MU" is false because they embody God's Power and Will. Ervin_Pepper • 8 yr. He'd beat composite Superman, let alone this robot. Dr Manhattan is a very proficient matter-energy manipulator. What I given I can take away, so: Richard Reeds and Sue Storm can take away Franklin Richards power. Based on the events post Secret Wars, TOAA is supposed to be beyond the Beyonder. ". R1: Post retcon Beyonder vs Bleach verse. PR beyonder can take all and stalemate with TOAA. Divine Creator 3. But no matter, marvel characters have existed long enough to flick them. It was said that she is the spark of creation. But Thanos with HoTU became one with all. Spectre probably. Words that describe the idea that Beyonder is equal to TOAA. Molecule Man Beyonder Power 15. Neutral TOAA, is a dubious omnipotent being, it just depends on the will of the writers. Both have the same powers. XXBEERUSXX • • 1 yr. #1 Edited By Nighthunter. The Beyonder is so beyond that, it is ridiculous. But despite the immense power, the chasm between The Living Tribunal and TOAA is infinite. Beyonder is literally the strongest being in marvel only second to toaa period. DC_Marvel_1000 said: " Kentaxx said: "Dude PR Beyonder was the most powerful being in comics outside of gods like TOAA ". s. Then House Of Ideas 12. That's something more powerful than the Beyonder. The Great Evil Beast is on the level with The Presence. They were both supreme powers above the LT. Situation 1: Stalemate, because of the bizarre power levels. Beyonder vs The Presence, Yahweh, TOAA. Comet is a Fun & Gaming Community where you can enjoy benefits for free! Daily giveaways, custom games currency | 5348 memberscalling themselves "God" (an Artist) and the "Collaborator" (the Writer) I presume TOAA. TOAA (Starlin/Milgrom) in 03' created THOTI to be the most powerful force in all Marvel. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. I would say as well TOAA seems "more" omnipotent then Presence. So I might be missing something. #edit #short #shorts #debate #comics #marvel #marvelcomics #alightmotion So you see, in order for TOAA to totally and permanently destroy the "Real" and "True" Beyonder aka the Beyonder God he has to kill Billy219 and everyone who has ever read Secret Wars or knows. 47. Forum Posts. TOAA is omnipotent in the Marvel multiverse , not outside of it. GER is well above the league of the Infinity Gauntlet. Mismatch, this version of Beyonder is TOAA level. Having incubated. Beyonder: Sonuva. Author has 139 answers and 136K answer views 3 y. He's the most powerful. As. And such a thing as "above omnipotence" doesn't exist. . Cosmic Ghost Rider vs The-One-Above-All vs The Living Tribunal vs The Beyonder💯/Let's End This DebateULTRA SASUKE ANIME FACT OR CAP SHORTSRound 3: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Cosmic Armor Superman Round 4: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs The Empty Hand Round 5: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs all of them. 9 years ago. The Beyonder even confirmed that he was fully Omnipotent, being on-par with TOAA since he was able to defeat Molecule Man, who Eternity, Infinity and other Cosmic Abstract entities, including The Living Tribunal were frightened of and Molecule Man was specified to be the most powerful being in Marvel, but Molecule Man was absolutely terrified. Pre Retcon Beyonder was always above TOAA/AAO based on him being millions of times bigger than the entire Marvel multiverse (which is what TOAA/AAO consists of). and he isn't omniscience. Beyonder blinking can destroy universes and LON does. But this fight is a good one because Rimuru and Anos are also ones of the most powerful characters in fiction. #2 Stalin-Is-Steel. the spectre with the presence backing. The PR Beyonder was defined as a multiverse composed of literally everything outside of that, and that existence shared a single consciousness. the difference between TOAA and Beyonder is that TOAA embodies Marvel writers. Even The. beyonder Yep, lol. He was even above and beyond the writing staff . The Infinity Gauntlet's range is only the universe and time and space inside the universe. He’s stronger than the one above all who is pretty much god above god. 0. Manhattan's league. Gan & The Crimson King are good & evil sides of capital "G" God. Cactus. You. 2. Manhattan's league. Neither of. Prepare for. Round 1: Beyonder Vs ZRound 2: Beyonder Vs Kami TenchiRound 3: Beyonder Vs Truth (FMA). The One Above All is literally God. Actually PR Beyonder was TOAA of his own actuality (according to Stan Lee), the purpose of his original existence. He was basically like if God tried to create a champion capable of doing just about everything that. Sailor moon vs The Beyonder , i love that one , LOL! The Spectre vs Bloom (winx club)@DC_Marvel_1000: lol. s. PRB = TOAA = The Presence, then we have the Lucifer/ Owen Reese category then everything else in Marvel and DC are just foddler. DC_Marvel_1000 said: " Kentaxx said: "Dude PR Beyonder was the most powerful being in comics outside of gods like TOAA ". Phoenixblue. Follow 1. Scenario: Through the miracle of TOAA, Living Tribunal summoned the most powerful army in the existence of Marvel to fight the entire race of Beyonders outside Marvel-verse. ( Im the TS) The beyonder will fight every comic character other than TOAA and the Presence@kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. AFAIK this Spiderman recreated the universe. I agree that Gan is Omnipotent and Beyonder gets stomped. -5. Scenary: Cell Games Arena (Indestructible) Saibaimen not allowed Both TOAA, Madoka, Presence and Galactus with full power. Pre Retcon Beyonder. I would say as well TOAA seems "more" omnipotent then Presence. Supergirl and Kal-L in COIE, SBP in SCW, etc. Like, Dr-Manhattan created the new DC universe, but the Multiverse that belongs in is Yehweh's Multiverse. Stan Lee vs Jim Shooter Saying Beyonder > TOAA is ridiculous, that's like saying Dr Doom is smarter than Beyonder, because he stole Beyonder's powers even though Beyonder was supposed to be God. So in short pre retcon beyonder decides whether or not he gets damaged or killed. TOAA is basically the Writer's manifistation with-in the story. Otherwise he gets stopped by the big guns of Marvel who are multiversal++ like TOAA, The Beyonders (the race), The Fulcrum, Tiamut, Protege, PR Beyonder, PR Molecule Man, Scathan, The Living Tribunal, Heart of the Universe Thanos, etc. #1. Khael. The beyonders as a race are generally pathetic compared to the Beyonder also, it took a bunch for them to beat LT while PRB was millions of times stronger than him even weakened. Follow 1627. beyonder Yep, lol. vs. Beyonder 16. However, based on what he's acknowledged for, Empty Hand solos arguably all of Marvel, bar TOAA. show 6 replies. Thanos would be able to overpower Cosmic Entities like the Beyonder and, on top of that, Thanos is more used to using power on this scale than Doom. PR Beyonder is on par with TOAA but people tend to. Anyway Beyonder is infinitely more powerful than most of the shit in marvel including multiversal threats like Galactus and Thanos. Thats because most Marvel and Beyonder know it all, like @Endless Mike do not post around here anymore. Kushedwack. #4. Not even beyonder is that powerful. His main motivation was to learn more about good and evil. Veldavana also existed in a plane void outside Everythingness and. Who will win in a fight between Beyonder and The Presence? Menu. Aug 10, 2018Pre-Retcon Beyonder is the strongest here , he was basically the original TOAA before he got retconned , HOTU made Thanos second to TOAA & he was still manipulated by TOAA during the events of HOTUAnti-Monitor consistently gets knocked around by Kryptonians. -Beyonder/s are bloodlusted. They are not beyonders and are instead a subservient race for them, ala the Mapmakers or the Sidera Maris and so on. It involved, at the time, marvel explaining the potential of other comic mega-verses existing and the fact that each has their own supreme being. Beyonder Beyonder Earth-616. Even Molecule Man at the height of his powers was almost nothing to Beyonder. Nhiều Fan cho rằng One Above All (TOAA) là sở hữu quyền năng tuyệt đối và đứng đầu Đa vũ trụ và hơn hẳn Beyonder. He was initially depicted as functionally omnipotent showing feats like creating planets and destroying galaxies. Pre-retcon Beyonder. 11 years ago. The only way Protege would copy Beyonder's powers is if Beyonder allowed it. both teams have omnipotent. Juntai. Even an Taiyoku level of One is easily Outerversal level. At that time, The Beyonder was more powerful than the Living Tribunal and thus everything else in the Marvel Universe. First it introduced us to the Avengers Infinity stones saga, which ended with Avengers Endgame and now i. Beyonder is beyond the universe. Prime Brock Lesnar, Prime Mike Tyson, A Neanderthal Male,Prime Andre the Giant, A. m99. At this point who’s the strongest character this doom could beat and who would be the. British_Tea_Company • 7 yr. . It's impossible that 2 truly omnipotents co-exist in the same universe. The Beyonders are powerful, but ultimately still finite. than i understand from other blogs Pre-retcon Beyonder is High 1-A/ High Outerversal in beyond-realm. Beyonder 16. Dimensions in Cthulhu Mythos are weird, to say the least. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact AKM sama if you encounter any problems. I think Brevoort's answer was a way of taking a dig at Shooter's take on the character and flaunting his power to ret con characters such as Beyonder(prob as being toaa in his own mind). The winner would just be based on whose power takes priority over the other, which is arbitrary. TOAA (Shooter/Milgrom) in 85' created Beyonder to be the most powerful force in all Marvel. Team Beyoder: Living Tribunal. 0. This. Dr Manhattan is a very proficient matter-energy manipulator. #1 Edited By TheSuperor. Vs. Oh boy, Michael wins. Omnipotence is a fancy title at best. Juntai. I dunno. [11] The One-Above-All is the sole creator of all existence in the Marvel Multiverse and possibly the Omniverse. bcs he is embodyment of writher than is boundless and far stronger than all characters hereYamcha vs The One Above All, Madoka Kaname, The Presence and Galactus. The first version of Beyonder should be able to beat anything and anyone in Marvel. The Beyonder was basically another Omniverse's TOAA. Pre Retcon Beyonder = TOAA > Eternity. Nope. Same goes for Jean's human parents. Heck, even the ones who created said multiverse and pretty casually at that are massively inferior to him. So my problem here is while debating with Beyonder fans. So there are two possibilities here. Juntai. NULL_Terrorist. All Mighty: better feats, bigger multiverse, didn't get KOed by one of his creations. Featherine should be comparable to PR Beyonder or EGD, but she isn't beating TOAA. HOTU is directly powered by TOAA (starlin/writer). 2. #1 KingOfAsh. Claymore1998. #28 ovy7. We have arrived at the Conclusion of Defenders Beyond! The Defenders have come face to face with The One Above All! But not all is as it seems, and Blue Ma. . 193 4. Beyonder was just a very much younger and less evolved TOAA, so Marvel's TOAA might have it on experience and being around more and his knowledge in himself, which is where Beyonder lacked, as he.